if you listen early to what senator durbin said, he said tax rates are effective tax rates. you've got this sort of maneuvering that is being talked about where you would raise the -- we'd have the top rate stay the same but you'd have people over that rate pay the money, not just the marginal rate. so they are maneuvering and i suspect that they will come a deal because simply not coming to a deal has worst effects than not coming to a deal politically. >> saxby chambliss says we're going to have to consider raising taxes, it's for the good of the country. what do you think ultimately? where are republicans going to fall on this? is it going to lead to infighting from the gop? >> i think you'll see a lot of heat and noise but i think at the end of the day you'll see a fair number of americans break with their no tax pledge. saxby chambliss has already done so and grover responded last week by saying that we're going to have a conversation with the people of georgia which is a way of saying that we're going to run a ton of negative ads against you. senator chambliss is up fo